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A full set of Zildjian's groundbreaking new Acoustic/Electric cymbals, including 14" hi hats, 18" crash cymbal, and 20" ride cymbal, three dual conde...Click To Read More About This Product

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The tone and feel of real cymbals at an 80% reduction in volume.

A full set of Zildjian's groundbreaking new Acoustic/Electric cymbals, including 14" hi hats, 18" crash cymbal, and 20" ride cymbal, three dual condenser mics, the controller/module, and all cables and necessary cymbal mounting hardware.

Zildjian Gen16 AE cymbals combines low volume acoustic cymbals, an innovative new dual-head mini microphone system, and a controller/mixer with preset tone modeling that allows the user to experience an array of Zildjian tones and/or add effects to each real AE cymbal. The cymbals come in a full range of models including rides, hi-hats, and Chinese.

"The Acoustic Electric Cymbal is capable of creating a wide range of sounds, from that of a classic Zildjian cymbal to some very non-traditional sounds," explains Zildjian's VP of New Business & Product Development, John Roderick. "For drummers, it will have an inspirational impact akin to what the acoustic electric guitar has done for guitarists."



FEATURES
  • 14" hi-hats
  • 18" crash
  • 20" ride
  • DCP controller
  • Three dual-head mic pickups
  • Five-channel cable snake
  • Three mounting kits
  • Three dampening kits

Real Zildjian cymbals, remodeled for the electronic world.

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ZildjianGEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20
 
3.3

(based on 16 reviews)

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  • Responsive feel (5)
  • Bright sound (3)

Cons

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Most Liked Positive Review

 

Set the right expectations!

Here's the deal on Gen 16 cymbals.

First of all, anyone who calls them triggers is way off the mark. They do not do any MIDI triggering at all and...Read complete review

Here's the deal on Gen 16 cymbals.

First of all, anyone who calls them triggers is way off the mark. They do not do any MIDI triggering at all and cannot be made to. What they are are extremely close-mic'ed low-volume acoustic cymbals. Thus, the sound you get cannot be modified much from the way they actually sound. You won't get these to sound great except in one situation--amplified through a P/A where you can dial out all the unpleasant frequencies--and in one genre--rock. The only time I've ever heard these sound good is when Russ Miller demoed them at two different NAMM shows, and in both cases, they were amplified through a PA and EQed to sound great.

That said, I've had my set of 14, 18, 20 for over a year and have found them to be supremely valuable in one big way: they allow me to improve and maintain my muscle memory on real metallic cymbals even when playing on a quiet V-Drum kit at home.

Let me be more specific about that. My daily practice kit is electronic. Like many drummers, noise restrictions prevent me from practicing on anything louder. The big problem with the rubber cymbals or cymbal pads on electronic kits is that over time, you develop the muscle memory for playing on these pads instead of the muscle memory for playing on real cymbals. For instance, I would practice a given part for hours on my electronic kit and then sit down on my acoustic kit and find that I was hitting the cymbals too late because my hands were used to the rubber cymbals being stationary while real cymbals "give" more and are pushed downwards by momentum, resulting in the sticks hitting them later in the downstroke.

This made it hard for me to transition from my daily practice kit to a real acoustic kit for recording/performing, and you could really tell by hearing me play that the use of rubber electronic cymbals was a huge cap on my drumming ability. For instance, my open-closed hi-hat work is worlds above where it used to be with V-Cymbals. There's simply no way to train into your hands the way a real hi-hat moves differently based on whether it's open or closed if you are using V-Hats.

Switching to these Gen 16s made a gigantic improvement in my cymbal work on both my daily practice electronic kit and on my real acoustic kit. My hi-hat skills improved the most by far, followed somewhat by my ride patterns. This has resulted in a marked improvement in the quality of my recordings and performances.

So even though these Gen 16 cymbals don't sound all that great and can't be used as triggers like my old V-Cymbals, I'm never going back. If you are looking to buy these for their sound, walk away. They just aren't going to sound good because close-mic'ed cymbals never sound good--even real acoustic cymbals (too many overtones in the bell). If you are looking to practice on an electronic kit for the muscle memory you need to play an acoustic kit, buy a set of these right away and dump those rubber electronic cymbals.

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Mixed Reaults

Hihats sound really good. The crash is too washy sounding - there is simply no attack. The ride is just terrible - no stick articulation on the bow or bell. The bell is...Read complete review

Hihats sound really good. The crash is too washy sounding - there is simply no attack. The ride is just terrible - no stick articulation on the bow or bell. The bell is horrible - the sound is tinny at best, and nearly absent. Don't try turning it up to try to hear the bell, you'll get nothing but wash. You just can't get any kind of decent 'ping' sound from the bell, and the DSP is no help. Such a disappointment after all the hype, and wait, and price. I've been a loyal Zildjian player for 30 years, but the Gen 16 stinks.
DSP makes only a slight difference in the sounds. Blue light looks cool - the light can be turned off too. There are NO INDIVIDUAL OUTPUTS, so forget about using this for recording! C'mon Zildjian, really?
Cymbals seem durable, even with all if the holes. Sound processor (DSP) is well built, but the mounting bracket is held in place with a magnet, cool idea because most drum modules have the mounting bracket screwed into the bottom of the module, but the magnet is not strong enough to keep the DSP stuck onto the mounting bracket with the weight of the cords plugged into the back - poorly implemented design feature.
Way too expensive for something that can't really be used by serious players

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(33 of 37 customers found this review helpful)

 
1.0

Mixed Reaults

By JurisCXI

from Dallas, Texas

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Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

Hihats sound really good. The crash is too washy sounding - there is simply no attack. The ride is just terrible - no stick articulation on the bow or bell. The bell is horrible - the sound is tinny at best, and nearly absent. Don't try turning it up to try to hear the bell, you'll get nothing but wash. You just can't get any kind of decent 'ping' sound from the bell, and the DSP is no help. Such a disappointment after all the hype, and wait, and price. I've been a loyal Zildjian player for 30 years, but the Gen 16 stinks.
DSP makes only a slight difference in the sounds. Blue light looks cool - the light can be turned off too. There are NO INDIVIDUAL OUTPUTS, so forget about using this for recording! C'mon Zildjian, really?
Cymbals seem durable, even with all if the holes. Sound processor (DSP) is well built, but the mounting bracket is held in place with a magnet, cool idea because most drum modules have the mounting bracket screwed into the bottom of the module, but the magnet is not strong enough to keep the DSP stuck onto the mounting bracket with the weight of the cords plugged into the back - poorly implemented design feature.
Way too expensive for something that can't really be used by serious players

(13 of 14 customers found this review helpful)

 
5.0

Set the right expectations!

By dchang0

from Orange County, CA

About Me Professional Musician

Pros

    Cons

      Best Uses

      • Practice
      • Really Large Venues
      • Through Pa System

      Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

      Here's the deal on Gen 16 cymbals.

      First of all, anyone who calls them triggers is way off the mark. They do not do any MIDI triggering at all and cannot be made to. What they are are extremely close-mic'ed low-volume acoustic cymbals. Thus, the sound you get cannot be modified much from the way they actually sound. You won't get these to sound great except in one situation--amplified through a P/A where you can dial out all the unpleasant frequencies--and in one genre--rock. The only time I've ever heard these sound good is when Russ Miller demoed them at two different NAMM shows, and in both cases, they were amplified through a PA and EQed to sound great.

      That said, I've had my set of 14, 18, 20 for over a year and have found them to be supremely valuable in one big way: they allow me to improve and maintain my muscle memory on real metallic cymbals even when playing on a quiet V-Drum kit at home.

      Let me be more specific about that. My daily practice kit is electronic. Like many drummers, noise restrictions prevent me from practicing on anything louder. The big problem with the rubber cymbals or cymbal pads on electronic kits is that over time, you develop the muscle memory for playing on these pads instead of the muscle memory for playing on real cymbals. For instance, I would practice a given part for hours on my electronic kit and then sit down on my acoustic kit and find that I was hitting the cymbals too late because my hands were used to the rubber cymbals being stationary while real cymbals "give" more and are pushed downwards by momentum, resulting in the sticks hitting them later in the downstroke.

      This made it hard for me to transition from my daily practice kit to a real acoustic kit for recording/performing, and you could really tell by hearing me play that the use of rubber electronic cymbals was a huge cap on my drumming ability. For instance, my open-closed hi-hat work is worlds above where it used to be with V-Cymbals. There's simply no way to train into your hands the way a real hi-hat moves differently based on whether it's open or closed if you are using V-Hats.

      Switching to these Gen 16s made a gigantic improvement in my cymbal work on both my daily practice electronic kit and on my real acoustic kit. My hi-hat skills improved the most by far, followed somewhat by my ride patterns. This has resulted in a marked improvement in the quality of my recordings and performances.

      So even though these Gen 16 cymbals don't sound all that great and can't be used as triggers like my old V-Cymbals, I'm never going back. If you are looking to buy these for their sound, walk away. They just aren't going to sound good because close-mic'ed cymbals never sound good--even real acoustic cymbals (too many overtones in the bell). If you are looking to practice on an electronic kit for the muscle memory you need to play an acoustic kit, buy a set of these right away and dump those rubber electronic cymbals.

      (7 of 10 customers found this review helpful)

       
      1.0

      Gen 16 Cymbals - not yet ready for prime time?

      By martin

      from undisclosed

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      Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

      Overall this Gen 16 cymbal concept is utterly confusing.

      I tried these cymbals out in a shop in Marin County and can say that, although they look incredibly cool, there is a major design flaw. The mics pick up so much sound from monitirs thay they feed back or just wash out the sound of the cymbal. Also, noise and vibration from the floor travels up the stand and contributed to poor sound reproduction. The cymbals ring so much that the addition of a reverb control option is laughable. The module itself has a fraction of the possibility of, lets say any Roland brian, unless you sync it via midi to your computer. These cymbals are notr for playing out live. So what would you add them too?
      It was refreshing to not hit synthetic material. Well made, but I wonder if the crash is strong enough to stand the test of time.

      (5 of 8 customers found this review helpful)

       
      1.0

      Gen 16 not worth the wait

      By Doc

      from Illinois

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      Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

      I have been a Zildjian fan forever but they totally missed the mark with the Gen 16 series. The hi hat is bar far the best feature of the kit and you can actually get some pretty decent sounds out of them but that is it as far as this kit goes. The crash sounds like a your hitting a garbage can lid and the ride builds up such an bunch of overtones it turns into mush. You can't get a decent bell sound either. For you e-kit players looking for realistic cymbals to add to your set don't waste your time or money on these.

      (4 of 5 customers found this review helpful)

       
      4.0

      Amazing for their application

      By Dean Radcliffe

      from chicago

      See all my reviews

      Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

      First of all - these are to be seen as upgrades to electronic rubber-pad-style cymbal controllers, not to be directly compared with real Zildjian K's in terms of durability. I would not advise metal drummers to bang the heck out of them.

      However, as I've been shopping for an electronic set, these cymbals make me want to hurry up and decide on the rest of the kit, because they are outstanding as triggers for electronic cymbal sounds, and just so much more playable than anything I've tried before.

      The hihats really 'chick' and wash, and everything in between. The volume, when listening a few feet away, is something you can talk over, yet sounds truly musical with a lasting decay. The spectrum on the ride cymbal from rim to bell is somewhat less than a full cymbal, but completely continuous in a way that multi-zone never achieved in my experience with Yamaha and Roland electronic cymbals.

      I have only played around with them for about 30 minutes and not under live situations, so I can't validate other reviewer's comments about monitoring and feedback - I'd be cautious if live was your intended use. But as a practice device and triggering system, it is a revolution.

      I'd be patient though, if I can - things like attachments and multi-sound out features - these and other niceties usually improve in versions after the first. But the technology is there, and I can think of few applications in which I'd prefer to hit a rubber pad than these. As always, evaluate it to your specific needs and decide.

      (3 of 3 customers found this review helpful)

       
      1.0

      I'm no animal, but these break easy.

      By Dunbar

      from USA

      About Me Experienced

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      Pros

      • Look Great

      Cons

      • Chips Easily
      • Flat Sound
      • Poor Quality
      • Quality Is Seriously Poor

      Best Uses

      • To Hold A Door Open

      Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

      Got these for the Roland TD-10 we use at my church. In a year and a half we replaced everything except the ride and high hat (out of 5 cymbals). The ride is still perfect, but the bottom high hat is broken now as well. These things break easy. They're cheap aluminum and not a real cymbal. I don't hit these things nearly as hard as some people do.

      At first they seemed like the perfect solution: not being able to hear the rubber "slap" when you play an electronic kit. After a few months of playing two times a week for 3-4 hours a piece, they deteriorated rather quickly I'm afraid.

      I would not recommend this to anyone. Try muted cymbals. Real cymbals. Save your money and perhaps your congregations money. I still feel horrible for suggesting we get these.

      (3 of 3 customers found this review helpful)

       
      2.0

      Headphone Jack is defective.

      By Andrew

      from Chigago, Il

      About Me Professional Musician

      See all my reviews

      Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

      The current Cymbal Modules all contain a defect. The headphone jack emits a loud amount of white noise and whistling. I contacted Zildjian about this, and they said it is a known issue affecting all current units (as of February 2013). They have no intention of recalling these, or fixing them. Their current policy is to "deal with it." For a product this expensive to contain a defect in something as crucial (and easy to properly manufacture)as a headphone jack is outrageous. Do not buy this product if you want a functional headphone jack.

      (3 of 3 customers found this review helpful)

       
      5.0

      Great concept and great results

      By EricT

      from Bowie, MD

      About Me Experienced

      Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

      I've been using this system for +6 months now, and I still find new sounds and new ways to improve my sound.

      Gen-16.com has released new sounds, and a program where you can create your own sounds. Each cymbal has the ability to have 99 presets per cymbal!

      This system revolves around the idea of using a sound, and tone shaping it. I struggled with some high frequencies out of my ride, so i put some duct tape underneath the bell, and it's significantly drier in sound.
      I also had mic clipping when I hit the bell of my crash, so I put another felt under the cymbal to distance the cymbal from the mics. It's great, because it asks the player to be creative. You can put rivets in the holes, create stacks, whatever. Everything you do on an acoustic cymbal, you can do on these.

      The obvious plus is playability. They feel great, and I have had no problems whatsoever. If you have some problems, have some patience and work on getting the sound you want. It's a very innovative instrument!

      (2 of 2 customers found this review helpful)

       
      2.0

      Record well, not durable

      By Scott

      from St. Louis, MO

      About Me Experienced

      Pros

      • Quiet Acoustically
      • Record Well
      • Responsive Feel

      Cons

      • Chips Easily
      • Feedback Is A Problem
      • Poor Quality

      Best Uses

      • Recording

      Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

      I've never broken a cymbal in my life, but have already gone through two crashes and the hi hats. These are not built to last. I think they sound fine and can really offer that realistic feel. The sound could use a bit of work as the cymbal samples aren't quite there. If playing through monitors, beware as these feedback easily. Oh and the bell is not worth playing as the mic location boosts the signal too much. Buying these now are like people buying PCs in the early 80s.

      (1 of 2 customers found this review helpful)

       
      3.0

      needs further delvelopment - overpriced

      By mac the drummer

      from fort worth

      About Me Experienced

      Pros

      • Responsive Feel

      Cons

        Best Uses

        • Practice

        Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

        I like the feel anf look - sounds it so so. Not up to Zilgan standards. Feedback is a huge problem. I'l still looking for a solution to this. Very careful placement of monitor or use od ear buds is essential.

         
        4.0

        excellent choice for churches!!

        By Pastor John

        from Pinconning, MI

        About Me Professional Musician

        Pros

        • Bright Sound
        • Excellent Feel
        • Focused Crash
        • Low Stage Volume
        • Responsive Feel

        Cons

        • Bell On Ride Is Useless

        Best Uses

        • Church Sanctuaries
        • Low Stage Volume Needed
        • Small Venues

        Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

        These cymbals are a GOD SEND for churches with small rooms. I have been a touring musician for many years - and while these will not replace my vaunted Zildjian original 60's era brass, they are more than adequate for any band who has a serious mind for stage volume, ease of use and wants to make the soundman feel like he has won the lottery.

        The ONLY drawbacks are only 5 to a processor (I am a cymbal junkie) and the bell on the ride. Other than that.....great for the money.

         
        5.0

        Update 1 year on!

        By CFM

        from UK

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        Pros

        • Responsive Feel

        Cons

          Best Uses

            Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

            Thought I'd update you on Gen 16 Cymbals as I've been playing them for about a year. They are taken a little bashing over the year but build seems to be strong and good. Cracking on new gen 16 cymbals I've heard of was because they were not set up correctly and had metal to metal contact.

            If you are playing an electronic kit I still think they are a must – so much more expression, although less sounds and if you are learning they will improve your technique far more than rubber pads.

            Personally, I did not like the sound of the Gen 16's at first. I added one of my spare pad as an extra cymbal to the right of my kit and after 2 weeks took it off because comparing sounds the Gen 16 make the electronic generated cymbals sound 'electronic and a bit awful'. Would I go back to rubber pads? Never!

            Microphone bleed can be a small problem although this will be nearly eliminated in the upgraded version summer 2013. I think for any electronic drummer looking to expand their kit with the current discounts of the 1st generation stock it's certainly worth the investment.

             
            5.0

            love these cymbals

            By Zane

            from Jacksonville, AL

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            Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

            I bought these specifically for recording. They are perfect for the job. They give a real acoustic feel and sound. But you can change the pitch to each individual cymbal using the DCP with the touch of a button Awesome! The only thing is the hi-hat cymbal cracked with me within the 30 days of purchase I think it was a manufacturing defect. So I would recommend getting a warranty. gen 16 will have inline pic ups available some time in June awesome upgrade for the set. I will purchase them as soon as they are available. simply because when recording if you have any loud noise the mike/preamp will pick up the sound. I have my new set now and did purchase a 2 year warranty. I would buy these over and over again.

             
            5.0

            Excellent Quality and Sound

            By Mike

            from Havelock, NC

            About Me Professional Musician

            Verified Buyer

            Pros

            • Bright Sound
            • Full Crash
            • Responsive Feel

            Cons

              Best Uses

                Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

                We are a contemporary Church in Eastern NC. We have a fairly large auditorium that seats over 400. The sound is amazing and our sound team have complete control over volume and mixing. The feel and sound just as good as they look!

                 
                4.0

                Interesting Concept

                By CFM

                from UK

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                Pros

                • Bright Sound
                • Hi-Hat

                Cons

                  Best Uses

                  • Home

                  Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

                  Gen 16 is a very interesting concept: drummers that play acoustic cymbals will not give them up so I'm assuming Gen 16 are for electronic drummers. I've used them for around 4 months now with my Yamaha DTX kit. At first I did not look the sound then added my DTX crash as another 4th and gosh does it sound crap… the Zildjian's sound so much better. As an electronic drummer it takes a little to readjust to the feel of Gen 16 but when you do you will never want to go back to rubber pads. Careful set-up and monitor placement cuts down a lot of feedback from the microphones. Individual out are lacking, it is only a problem if you intend to record individual cymbals, off course you can L & R two cymbals therefore recording two channels at the same time.
                  Never had my DSP fall off the bracket. The magnet seems strong enough and I've got all the inputs/outputs plugged in.

                  (0 of 2 customers found this review helpful)

                   
                  4.0

                  Actually Awesome

                  By Dylan Differding

                  from Las Vegas

                  Comments about Zildjian GEN16 Acoustic-Electric Cymbal Pack 14, 18, 20:

                  awesome i'm getting some to go perfectly with my electronic add on to my set!!!
                  Great playability and options for changing the sounds of the cymbals.. They have a ridiculous amount of range!! What ever you fine tune your sound to the go to it. Hi Hats were my favorite feature though by far the best part of the package awesome cymbals for acoustic playing and then bigger shows through amplifiers.
                  It's Zildjian but on the bad side its only a wonder how long they would last I think quite a while just take care of them and use them for what they are.... an add on to your set not cymbals you use on every beat.
                  a little pricey for the blue light special.

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